Interview with Marc Davenport

by Brent Raynes

Marc Davenport is the author of Visitors From Time: The Secret of the UFOs. He has worked as a manufacturing engineer, designing, building and testing electrical wiring for the aerospace and defense industries, has been a full-time free lance writer, and, with his wife Leah Haley, a well-known UFO abductee, has lectured on UFOs from coast-to-coast. Marc has researched and investigated UFOs for some 30 years. Marc and Leah manage Greenleaf Publications, P.O. Box 8152, Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37133. Website: www.greenleafpublications.com

Editor: You’ve been actively involved in the field of UFO research and investigations for a good number of years now. When, where, and how did you get started?

Marc Davenport: Well, both of my parents had seen UFOs before I was even born and so both of them were interested in the phenomenon, and they were also interested in other subjects that some people would say were related, like ancient religions and so on. So when I grew up they always had FATE magazine - things like that - laying around the house. In fact, in 1956, when I was 4 years old, they taught me to read, using the phonics method, and they just picked up what was handy, which happened to be a FATE magazine with a story about flying saucers, and that’s literally how I first learned to read, and I have never lost my interest.

Having said that, I can now go on to say that I have seen several UFOs through the years. Several things that I could not identify. Maybe if I was closer I would have been able to have identified them. And, of course, I’ve studied many other people who have had very close encounters, including Leah Haley my wife, who has been aboard the ships.

Editor: Okay, so you got an early start!

MD: I’ve been diligently studying this phenomenon since I was 15 years old, or younger. Really studying it hard. I’m 50 now.

Editor: You’ve always lived in this area?

MD: No, I grew up in Joplin, Missouri. I’ve lived in a lot of different states. I’ve lived in Colorado, Kansas, Mississippi, and now in Tennessee. But I spent the first 30 years of my life in Missouri, and that’s where I got interested and where I did my first research.

Editor: Joplin. That’s close to that spooklight, isn’t it?

MD: It is. The spooklight is actually in a little tiny place called Hornet, which is just a handful of miles from Joplin. A few minutes away. Of course, I’ve been there to see the spooklight, and I’ve never seen the phenomenon that people described - the one that dances on the hood of their car and gets behind them and so on. I have seen a strange light there, but when we looked at it with a 180 power telescope we saw that it was automobile headlights, and we could even see the filaments inside the bulbs. So the phenomenon that I saw is not the same one that has been described by people since the first settlers moved into the area.

I have no doubt that there is a real phenomenon there because lots and lots and lots of people have described the same thing.

Editor: I know that there have been some who have tried to dismiss the whole thing as just headlights.

MD: Well, I think that’s because when they were there they didn’t see anything unusual and when somebody says, “There’s a light,” and they say, “Oh, well that’s all they’re talking about.” I’m sure there is a real phenomenon, but it just doesn’t happen all of the time.

Just like psychic phenomena. You can’t predict when you’re going to have a dream about the future. It just happens.

Editor: In all of your years of involvement, what sort of interesting investigations and research have you been involved with?

MD: Oh gosh. Lots. One of the very first investigations I went on was one of the most fascinating to me. There was a pig farmer in rural Missouri who had seen a UFO very close and he had reported it to the Sheriff’s Department, and my parents and I actually went to investigate this. It was in Missouri and we couldn’t find the place and we asked some neighbors - we saw some neighbors who had a tall antenna - looked like they had a ham rig or something - and my father was interested in ham radio, and so we thought we’d pull up in there and ask for directions. They said, “Oh, you want to go to” - I won’t say the guy’s name because he probably doesn’t want people bothering him - and they said, “You want to get there by car?” And we said, “Well, yah.” They looked at each other and then they gave us directions. It was a little Mustang. We bumped the oil pan several times getting down this - it was like a goat track more than a road, to get to the farm. Very, very back in the woods, you know. On the way, we saw an abandoned truck body, and on it was painted the words, “Talk is cheap.” I remember that.

Anyway we finally got to the guy’s place and I knocked on the door and I asked him if he was the guy and he said “Yah” and I said, “Well I’d like to ask you a few questions about your sighting,” and he said, “Well, I’ll tell you what. I have to eat my lunch. It will take me a few minutes. You can ask me a few questions and then I’ve got to get back to work. I really don’t have time for this. I don’t want to be rude.” So he brought his sandwiches out on the porch and I asked him the questions, and what he had seen was a large, saucer-shaped silver - right out of Hollywood - the thing was in his field out there. He thought maybe it was a fuel tank that had fallen off of some kind of aircraft or something, when he first came out in the morning, and he saw it, and it wasn’t that far away - a couple of blocks from his front door. But he went ahead and did his chores first, like any good farmer would do. He had to go out and milk the cows, slop the hogs, and all of that stuff. Then he got on his tractor. He was going to go down there and pull that thing out of his field, because he had noticed that the cows wouldn’t go near it, and he didn’t want that thing there. He thought maybe it was going to leak or something, and so he was going to pull it out of his field, and when he started down there on his tractor the thing lifted up in the air, hovered, and shot up at a steep angle and merged with a cylindrical, dirigible-shaped silver craft that was high in the sky, and then they both shot off instantaneously.

Editor: Ah, the mother ship.

MD: Yah, the mother ship. And this guy, I mean he was absolutely trustworthy. He was the kind of guy that lying was a sin and he probably never did it in his life since he was five years old. He was a hard working, no-nonsense kind of guy. He did not want people there degrading his fence. The only reason that he had reported it to the sheriff in the first place was because he thought maybe it was his duty to do so. He thought maybe it was some kind of foreign aircraft. He didn’t know what it was. He was really kind of put out that people were there. He was kind of put out with the sheriff for letting the news of it out. He really didn’t want to tell anybody about it.

So we went down and looked at the landing site and sure enough the grass was all dead there. Nothing would grow. It was all desiccated, very hard, as if it had been baked. The cows wouldn’t go near it, and there were people there at the time, and people from the local university taking soil samples and so on. So it was just fascinating to me. I think I was 20 years old. I think it was in 1973. Anyway, this guy really convinced me that he was not lying. He didn’t want any publicity. He wanted quite the opposite. There’s no possible way the guy could have made the story up and he had perfectly good vision. There wasn’t anything wrong with him.

Editor: So that was one of your first solid cases, right?

MD: Right. It was one of the first cases that I actually went out into the field and investigated and interviewed the witness and so on. But then, later on, I got more interested in the abduction part of it, and I have interviewed quite a few people over the years. One in particular, a woman in northeastern Kansas, in a very tiny town out on the prairie, who had the most fascinating stories, and she had quite a number of children, and several of the children were involved in the abductions also. She had things like she would wake up with grass between her toes and she would have disappearing pregnancies and a whole bunch of physical evidence/traces to go along with the stories.

Editor: Did she have many memories, or was it mostly missing time?

MD: She had both. She had all of the earmarks. She had the bloody noses, the missing time, she saw floating lights in her home, she had the feeling of flying - all of the things that are listed in the Roper Poll as being indications that you might have had an abduction experience. Plus all of the other things. If you’ll look in the last chapter of Visitors From Time, I think I list about 17 questions that I would ask people to determine whether or not they were likely an abductee, when they ask me “who should I go to to investigate this.” We didn’t want to send everybody to the very few people who were interested in this phenomenon and who were treating people for it, so all the investigators kind of tried screening people out to send the people with regular problems to a regular psychologist and the people who really were likely to be an abductee we’d send them to people who were studying that.

Anyway, this lady answered yes to virtually every question. There were roads she didn’t want to drive down because she felt terribly afraid for no apparent reason, she felt like defending aliens whenever people attacked them in the news, and on and on. She had everyone of the earmarks.

Then, of course, my own wife’s case is the most fascinating, and it was to me even before I knew her. When I first heard her speak I was fascinated with her case because I could tell she was telling the truth. Of course, I have lived with her a long time and I know now she was telling the truth, and even been peripherally involved. She says there was a time or two when she had an abduction experience she remembers me being switched off where I had been awake and then couldn’t be awakened. Of course, I don’t remember anything about it. I’ve been there when the black helicopters fly low over the house, all that sort of thing. So her case is the most amazing and most interesting of all really.

Editor: So have you had any memories, with your wife’s case?

MD: Before my wife and I got together, and we had only known each other just briefly - meeting at a couple of conferences - I have one memory of being put back into bed and there was a hand on my arm, that put my arm under the cover, that didn’t seem like it was quite right. Like maybe it wasn’t quite human. And that’s as close as I can come to having any kind of memory. However, I do say yes to a lot of those same questions that I use to screen people. I have had the bloody noses, the missing time, and on and on, up to and including, perhaps most significantly, the obsession with ufology. The obsession with the subject. I can’t leave it alone, and that’s one of the hallmarks of someone who has been contacted.

Editor: Well, I’ve got all that. (We laugh) So what sort of beliefs or personal conclusions have you arrived at with regard to the UFO phenomenon.

MD: We are being visited - have been visited for thousands of years by beings from other places which probably include other planets. They have had involvement in at least the evolution of humankind. They have made jumps in evolution by genetic engineering with humans. Not sure what the purpose for that is but I think the purpose for the current hybridization program has to do with the fact that we have developed technology that has outstripped our spirituality and right now we’re a danger to blow the whole planet up, and they have a couple of choices. One is they can watch us blow it up. Two is they can exterminate us so that all the other species on the planet will be safe, or three if they come down and fix us. It’s the container, not the soul - it’s our biological, animalistic type person that’s causing all of our problems. The greed that caused us to survive when we were very primitive - the guy who could beat the other caveman over the head and chase down the saber toothed tiger and strangle it to death - that was the guy who was going to survive and his genes would be passed along. The one who could mate with the most women his genes would survive. That was good for us then. A survival trait. But now that we have this technology it becomes the other way around. It becomes the opposite of a survival characteristic. So I think that someone has to change us and I think that’s what they’re doing. I think the main thing they’re doing is trying to take those greedy aggressive genes out and replacing them with some that involve telepathy, understanding, and pacifism.

I think that they travel in craft that are able to literally warp the structure of space and time. Their advanced technology allows them to do this, and this could mean that they could be coming here not only from other planets, other star systems, other galaxies, but also from other dimensions that co-exist with ours. Quantum physicists are now telling us that there are probably at least eleven (11) other dimensions that we can’t see and that we normally don’t have access to. But they’re there nevertheless. I think they could also be coming from the same places we go when we dream, or even our own past, our own future, or even the places we go when we die, as weird as that sounds. So there are a lot of different places they could be coming from. Literally billions of different places.

Editor: Yah, that is a mouthful.

MD: And the technology is advanced from us but not all that far. Our own scientists are working on it now. They’re trying to figure out how it’s done and I think that who knows - maybe in a hundred years we will know how it’s done. Maybe we will do it, and maybe some of those people we see in some of those craft are people from a future world - even maybe from a future United States. Because this is, after all, a time of tribulation for mankind and this would be a very logical time for anyone from any era to study.

Editor: You’ve written about time travel. Does that kind of lean in that direction, that maybe some of these visitors are actually from our future to observe whatever is happening?

MD: Yah. The evidence points towards that because if you do statistical studies, and a lot of people have done that - and you find out weird things like there are more sightings on Wednesday than any other day, there are more sightings in September than any other month, there are also sightings that seem to follow state boundaries. If these people were coming here from 37 light years away none of that would be true. They wouldn’t be using our calendars or our maps. So because there is a statistical anomaly there there must be some kind of connection to us.

The logical thing, if you postulate that they must have a craft that can produce a field capable of warping space time in order to get here within a single life time from a distant star then that same postulation makes it possible for them to come here from a different time period. Because space and time can’t be separated. They’re actually two different aspects of the same thing.

Editor: So could it be that whereas we see something on a certain date at a certain location we’re just sort of seeing it passing through? It could later be seen by someone there at a later date by someone else and they would be seeing the same thing we saw, say ten years before, but maybe it was just five minutes apart for them?

MD: Well yah. If someone is traveling through time right in front of your eyes, in a particular space, you would see something manifest and then dematerialize. Unless it was passing really fast, and then all you’d see would be a flash. But say something was going backward in time as you were going forward in time. You might see the thing first appear to be first violet and then blue and then it would go through the spectrum and then you’d see it materialize and then it would go to the other end of the spectrum and start turning yellow, orange, and then red, and then dematerialize, simply because of the Doppler effect of it passing you in the other direction, like the Doppler effect affecting light the same as it affects sound. Like if you’re at a race track - you’re in the stands and as the cars are coming toward you the engines have a very high pitch and then as they pass you it drops its pitch. The reason for that is that the sound waves and the sound of the waves as the car is approaching you the waves are compressed by the speed of the car. As they pass away it’s the opposite. The speed of the car is subtracted from the speed of the wave, and light acts the same way.

Then when you combine it with all of the other clues, like clocks are affected, people’s thinking is affected, people are paralyzed, cities have power failures, cars have power failures, the things can make 180 degree turns at thousands of miles per hour without breaking up - somewhere in there, there is a factor of time that is being bent or twisted or even formed into a vortex. So time is different for them than it is for the observer.

Editor: What do you think of the current direction of mainstream ufology?

MD: What direction? It is confused and it has deteriorated into back biting and bickering, and a whole lot of it has been orchestrated by what Leah likes to call OMAGS - that’s her terms for obnoxious military and government scoundrels. These are people who make it their business to muddy the waters, so to speak. They put out disinformation. They make a habit of whispering in one researcher’s ear things about another researcher so that they will fight among themselves. They ridicule people who have physical evidence and they threaten people. On occasion, over the years, I think it’s possible that they may have killed a couple of people to shut them up. They even have their own publishing company to publish their debunking books.

Very few mainstream scientists from major universities will ever touch the subject because of the giggle factor. Even the people who know in their own hearts that it’s all true, they still won’t touch it with a ten foot pole. They’re afraid of ridicule, they’re afraid of losing their jobs or their positions at universities.

Editor: When you’re a scientist your image is very important.

MD: One thing a lot of people don’t know is that most scientist’s salaries come from, either directly or indirectly, from grants from the U.S. Government. Because most research, no matter what kind of corporate set up, generally there’s some kind of government contract involved, and there are a whole lot of strings attached. They don’t come right out in the open and tell you that, but the people in charge of these big programs know it, and it’s made clear to them that if they want their money then they have to do the research that they’re told to do and stay away from the research that they’re told to stay away from.

And it even gets into the media. When some young reporter does a better job than he’s supposed to and he reports something like this and does a good job at it, he might find himself doing the parking meter beat after that. Because people at the top of big media corporations are told what they can and can’t report on.

Anyway that’s my opinion, and I’ve been there personally on some of that stuff. Leah has been attacked by debunkers on numerous occasions and she believes that a lot of these things that people don’t bother to debunk something unless there’s really something there. Why would they bother?

Editor: What do you think of all the noise, confusion and emphasis that ufology has directed at issues like MJ-12?

MD: Well, I think MJ-12 - I’m putting myself out on a limb here - I’m giving you my opinion. I want to make that clear. If I was to make a guess - an educated guess - my guess would be that MJ-12 is excellent disinformation. In other words, a lot of what’s in there is true. Truman really did have this problem where this thing crashed and they did recover something out there in Roswell, and they had to do something about it. He had to appoint several top people to take care of it, to reverse engineer it, to keep the secrets, and all of that.

I think that the documents that were leaked were leaked on purpose because they were going to come out anyway. Someone probably threatened to disclose them, so they jumped the gun on it and leaked out documents that had a little bit of fakery in them.

On purpose, so that they could have plausible denial. So they could say, “Look, it’s fake.” I think a lot of what is released is released in that same manner. In other words, I think there was a program of media release of information. What Donald Ware calls the Long-Term Government Acclimation Program that was put into effect probably way back in the late 1940s. They knew they couldn’t keep it a secret all of the time - forever - and that they would have to release a little bit at a time, but they don’t want to release too much too quickly. I think that so-called Roswell autopsy video we saw was probably the same thing. It’s a very expensive, very well done piece of excellent disinformation that has a lot of truth in it, but can never be proven to be real, and because of that the people who want to believe it’s fake can believe it’s fake and the people who want to believe it’s real can believe it’s real. Because of that it won’t cause a big ruckus, one way or the other.

Editor: Okay. How about Area 51?

MD: Area 51 definitely exists. I’ve been there, and you can’t go in there. The Wackenhut guys will escort you out if you try. It’s because they have secret weapons there and secret aircraft.

Editor: Do you think it’s clearly any retro-engineering technology from Roswell?

MD: Well, it would be very logical for them to at first take captured or crashed alien craft and take them there and study them. I kind of doubt if they would still have it there now because of all the publicity. They probably moved it somewhere else, and they still test advanced aircraft there. I wouldn’t be surprised if any alien stuff that may have been there at one time has probably been moved somewhere else.

I have no doubt that there has been a certain amount of wreckage, at the very least, and maybe some operational craft. The Bob Lazar story is pretty far out but there are some things in it that I think may very well be true. It does appear now that our own government does have electro- gravitics. In other words, they have a way of making an aircraft virtually weightless, and I don’t know where they got the technology unless it was through a source like Phil Corso was talking about in his book, The Day After Roswell. It’s been leaked out through Jaynes Defense, the very prestigious publication in England about weaponry. It was leaked out from there that one of the major aircraft companies here was actually working on it. Anti-gravity craft. So it’s in the mainstream now. It’s not just in the ufological literature. It’s actually out there in the mainstream.

Editor: Well, somebody pointed out recently [Nick Reiter] that they thought that it was interesting that the abductees back in the late 1980s and early ‘90s were talking about genetic experiments and how there was this aging process and defects, and now that we’ve actually done it - the sheep and such - we’ve discovered that there is actually an advanced aging process involved.

MD: Absolutely. In fact, they finally put Dolly to death because of that very thing. The first sheep they admitted was a clone was not actually the first one. It was the first one that they admitted to.

Editor: Now the chupacabra is something that you’ve been involved with, isn’t it?

MD: Yes. I was asked back about 1995 to lead an expedition to Puerto Rico to study some various phenomena that were going on there, or being reported there. The reason I was asked is because a lot of it involved time anomalies - vortexes they call them, portals into other dimensions, where people were reporting that they would see, for instance, it would be nighttime and they would see a kind of doorway in space where it was daylight in there, and they would look in there and see that the surroundings were different there than where they were. That sort of thing. Because of that Joyce Murphy had a travel agency and asked me to go down there and investigate this stuff. Well, it just so happened, at that particular time - that was when this chupacabra thing was being seen a lot in Puerto Rico, and because of that we ended up investigating that more than anything else we went there for.

Chupacabra is goat sucker. That’s how it translates. It’s some kind of a weird animal that attacks smaller animals and sucks the blood out of them. They don’t seem to made any kind of noise - they don’t scream when it attacks them. The people just go out the next morning and find that all of their rabbits don’t have any blood in them and they have big holes in them.

Editor: Of course, since then they’ve been reported all over Central and South America.

MD: Well, yes and no. If you try to follow those stories up a lot of times what I think you’re going to find is a kind of hysterical type - you know, anything that happens that seems a little - if it’s a dog bite people might get excited and think, “Oh, it might be the chupacabras.” Then the media saw what an attraction it was and they wanted to get into it also. So I’m not sure if the thing has been seen anywhere but Puerto Rico. It may have been seen in Florida and Mexico and Central America - maybe just a couple of cases - but most of the other cases that I’ve looked into I couldn’t substantiate.

Editor: Well, I know there has been a lot of talk and reports from down in Chile and Argentina in the last year - sightings of some kind of creature.

MD: Well, it could very well be. All that I’m saying is that I wasn’t able to substantiate it. The main reason for that is because it’s all in Spanish and I can’t read Spanish. Now we did publish a book by Scott Corrales who is an excellent translator of Spanish. He’s totally bilingual. We published his book, Chupacabras and Other Mysteries, and he documented an awfully lot of reports that people gave of this thing, and I have no doubt whatsoever - having been there myself and interviewed the witnesses myself - I have no doubt that there really was a very strange creature and it sucked the blood out of a lot of things down there - and if I were to have to make an educated guess as to what it is I would say that it is the product of some kind of genetic engineering. Because where it was, originally, was right around the El Yunque Rain Forest. When we went there we went up into the rain forest, at night, looking for this thing. When we got there, at the parking lot, there is a big bronze plaque and it says, “El Yunque Experimental Rain Forest.” It’s all under the American government. There are military bases all the way around there, and it would be the perfect place to release something and see what happens because it can’t get off the island. And I think that’s probably what happened. And it makes perfect sense because all of the people who have reported this thing, at the very first, were people who lived adjacent to the rain forest, in small communities, in rural areas where they had chickens, goats, rabbits and stuff - that was their meal. This thing apparently, if I were to make a guess, what happened was it caught everything in the rain forest and then it started looking at domestic animals, because there wasn’t anything left in the rain forest. The reason I say that is because I spent two nights there with a whole big group of people and none of us ever say anything. No animals. We never saw a bird, a monkey, or anything. I found that very strange myself. Since there were virtually no predators there before, all of these little creatures would be sitting ducks.

It has the characteristics of both animal and insect. It’s kind of like a gigantic flea. People say they’ve seen it jump 50 feet. Of course, that’s probably an exaggeration, but it probably did jump several times its own height, and that’s not something animals can do, but it is something insects can do. The descriptions of it with very large eyes, the kind of hairy, scaly, spiny looking things all over it, the color of it and everything.

Editor: There was even a report of luminous spines.

MD: Yes. So a lot of the descriptions sound a lot like an insect, and it sounds like something that is a cross between - you know, had these three toes with three hand claws, kind of like a dinosaur, like something you’d see on Jurassic Park - but then it has these insectoid characteristics. Some people said they saw it fly, they said it could run something like 50 miles an hour. Again probably an exaggeration, but even allowing for that it’s very, very fast. Very strong. And it sucks blood like a mosquito. And it would make perfect since that an American military experimental laboratory would come up with something like that. What a terrible thing to unleash upon your enemies.

There were some witnesses who swore this thing soared in the air without flapping any wings. As if it were levitating. But I think that’s possible. Flying Squirrels appear to do things like that. They actually are just gliding.

Editor: Mothman in West Virginia was reported doing that too.

MD: Exactly. That’s the next thing. People said the eyes were luminous and that beams of light came out from the eyes and the beams illuminated the landscape. Now that’s pretty far out. I know that we do have creatures - some deep sea creatures, for instance, that make light, and there are fire flies. So it’s possible.

Editor: What do you think of the phenomenon of the men in black? Have you ever been involved in any of those cases?

MD: Well, I’ve studied a lot of the cases. I’ve never met any of the men in black as far as I know. I’ve met some pretty weird people. But as I wrote in my book, Visitors In Time, the most plausible thing that I can come up with is that they’re a kind of time police force. In other words, they go back in time to clean up the messes that other people made when they weren’t supposed to be back in time. And the reason that I say that is because that if you study all of the reports you find that time and again these people appear to be out of place. They appear to look unusual, they have trouble breathing, often they’re wearing clothes that are out of style, or even clothes that can’t be explained - like one case there was a guy who was wearing shoes that had individual toes in them. Have you ever seen a pair of shoes like that? One case there was one who was given a bowl of jello and he didn’t know what to do with it. He was trying to drink it. And often they’re described as having vehicles that are in mint condition but they’re maybe 20 years old, or even 50 years old.

The reason that it occurred to me that they might be coming from the future, is that at one time my first wife was involved in a small theater. They had a prop room, but they didn’t always have the right props, so they’d get as close as they could. In a modern movie they might spend millions of dollars making sure that everybody had clothing from the proper era. But in a small theater they’d just get close. And I was thinking, “Well if you had a prop room and you were traveling back in time you couldn’t have an automobile from every year. You’d just have to get as close as you could.” The same with your clothing.

If you did develop time travel, people would start to abuse it almost immediately, and the first thing that they would do is go back in time to escape creditors, or the law, or if they were to go back and try to kidnap someone, thinking maybe they were going to sell babies on the open market, or maybe they want to take someone back to hunt dinosaurs. Who knows what.

But people would start to abuse it almost immediately. You’d have to develop some kind of police force. Somebody to take care of it so that someone - like the old paradox like in Back To The Future - someone goes back to make sure that your mother and father never met each other or never got together - would you cease to exist or not? So in order to stop paradoxes from happening - to stop the world from coming to an end because someone went back in time and stole a ballpoint pen that later ended up being used to sign a treaty - they would have to have somebody to go back and manipulate things to put thing back in the order they’re supposed to be.

If you have any physical evidence, like a clear photograph - back in the ‘60s before there were such things as computers - these people wanted that photograph, and if you didn’t give it to them you’d find out later - you’d go to your secret hiding place - you’d open your cigar box and it would be gone. So they had obtained it somehow.

Editor: Right, and there were any number of witnesses who had never told anybody what they had seen and suddenly there they were, on their doorstep or at work.

MD: Ya, they’d be posing as a pot and pan salesman at your front door, but they would never try t sell you anything. All they wanted to do was talk about UFOs.

Editor: Do you foresee any future contributions that ufology might hopefully make for mankind?

MD: Well, I think that it already has. I think that all of these people like yourself who are out there trying to find the truth and share it with everybody and the public have done a service because if you look at the polls and you look at the number of people who believe that there are such things as aliens, E.T.s, or whatever you want to call them, and that they have been visiting us and that the government has been lying about it - it’s getting way up in the majority. We’ve been exposing the truth and I think that’s good. But I don’t think we’re going to get the Smoking Gun, the Mother Load, or that George W. Bush is going to come on the radio any time soon and address the nation and say that these things are real. I don’t think we’re ever going to get that. It’s just going to be one day someone will say - at a press conference - someone will ask someone like the President and he’ll say, “Yah, of course they’re real. We’ve been telling you that for years.” It’ll just be kind of gradual, a little of this and a little of that. Today they discovered water on the moon, the next week they discovered water on Mars, we’ve now discovered 21 planets in another star system . A little bit of information released each day, each week, each year. Pretty soon you’re going to look back at it and say, “Well Gee, how could we have been fooled into believing that there were no such things as other civilizations.”

Editor: Okay, so with your own involvement in ufology you’ve been trying to get the truth out there. What do you feel your accomplishments have been?

MD: I feel privileged to have been involved in educating the public about the evidence that’s out there. Clearly there for anyone to see if only they are exposed to it. Leah and I have done a lot of lectures. We went all over the country giving lectures. You mentioned my book, Visitors From Time. It’s in its fifth printing now and will go into a sixth printing. It’s been all over the world and its been translated into other languages. In fact, I just got a contract in the mail today from a German company. So that’s gratifying, and even Carl Sagan - God rest his soul - before he died he ordered a copy of my book, and I was very touched by that. I wished that he had had time to read it and tell me what he thought about it. Back then, when I published my book in ‘92, the first version of it, most of the mainstream scientists didn’t believe that time travel was possible, and now most of them do believe it’s possible, even Stephen Hawking has written about it, saying yes, not only is it possible but it’s happening in the universe now. So that’s very gratifying, and I’ve edited a lot of books by authors in the field, like Raymond Fowler, and of course Leah Haley my wife. In fact, she has a new one coming out right now called Unlocking Alien Closets: Abductions, Mind Control, and Spirituality. It’s a big book with a big index and everything. A big project. Has photographs in it.

But, for the last few years, the pressures of making a living have kind of kept me out of the field. I haven’t been doing too much research and my writing and editing has been lessened to the point where I’m not doing a whole lot of that anymore. I’m basically paying for all of these years that we were out there lecturing and getting the information out.

Editor: Yah, it’s kind of hard to make a living at it.

MD: Nobody really makes a living at it. We all have our own day jobs. I’m a carpenter and a handyman and I build houses most of the time. Except for the very, very few researchers who are subsidized - there probably aren’t any out there who haven’t got a job - there are a few who are using money from grants from wealthy benefactors.

Editor: Of course, Whitley Strieber broke the record when he wrote Communion and got a million dollars for it.

MD: Well, Whitley was a millionnaire before he wrote Communion. He had written quite a number of very good selling books. He had written some best-sellers, and even though Communion sold millions of copies, he probably did himself a disservice by becoming involved in this field. He probably could have done better without it.

But everybody singles him out. “Well, Whitley did real well.” Well, he was doing well before that. Nobody makes a fortune at this. Most of us struggle to even just get along. In fact, that’s one of the things Leah talks about in her book. Anybody who accuses her of doing this for the money is out to lunch. She’s a CPA. She could have made a lot of money, and we’ve made very little, almost no money in the last few years. We’ve been in the red most of the time.

Editor: It’s pretty amazing how a lot of people have the misconception that if you’ve had a book published then you must be doing really well.

MD: Yes, and that really is quite a myth. There are only a handful of authors in this country who don’t have other jobs. Everybody else has a day job.

Editor’s Note: In the near future, we’ll be publishing an interview with Marc’s wife Leah Haley about her experiences with aliens, other abductees, ufologists, debunkers, apparent military types, and how all of this has effected and shaped her life - physically, psychologically, and spiritually.

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