An Interview with a UFO Contactee named Pepper

by Brent Raynes

Aileen Garoutte, the former director and founder of the UFO Contact Center International (UFOCCI) first brought Pepper’s story to my attention some two years ago. At the time of this interview that I did with him (03/21/05) he was living temporarily in Washington state. Pepper seemed to be a man on the run, looking for someone somewhere who might give him answers, give him help. He described a series of disturbing, painful encounters, physical and “astral,” as well as declining health that he felt was related. Here in his own words are what he says has been happening to him.

Editor: How are you doing?

Pepper: Not so good.

Editor: Well Pepper, if you don’t mind, could you tell what’s been happening to you?

Pepper: Well, in 1992 I was taken by these people in downtown Galveston, Texas. At first I was at a very small art exhibit in the downtown area and there was a man looking at me and he approached me and he asked me what I thought about the art exhibits and I just replied that I didn’t care for it too much. He said he agreed and then I left, and then later on that night as I was using the public telephone two other men showed up from behind me when I was using the phone and said that they were with the government. They put me into this black limo and then the man that was at the art exhibit he was there. But anyway, later on he asked me a couple of times who I was and I told him my name, and then one of the guys that put me in the limo he pulled out a little device and I was unconscious. Then later on, when I came to, we were in looked something like a big aircraft hangar and there was like a saucer shaped craft, and there were some men working on that. Then they kind of backed off of it and then the ship started making some kind of whining noise and I kind of walked towards it a little bit. Two of the men that were working on it tried to stop me, but the man that came with me in the limo said, “Let him go.” Then one of them said, “He’s been exposed to the field,” and that was the last thing that I remember on that.

Then later on after that I found myself back home. I tried to deny what happened, but I knew that what happened was real. It took me awhile to come to terms with it. Then I started having strange encounters. Like people would come up to me, look like an ordinary human, like for one instance when I was on the side of the apartment building that I used to live in these people just came up out of nowhere. They spoke to me and said a few things to me, and I was just scared...and they just walked off and dematerialized right in front of my eyes. And off and on, I would have stuff like that happening to me.

Then I started having these real bad dreams, strange dreams. I just passed them off as dreams. I dreamed that I was in a hospital setting being examined. I dreamed all kinds of fantastic things such as being in different locations, buildings, different scenes, all kinds of different things. Then I started coming to the conclusion, for some reason, that when I’d be sleeping I’d see these people. They would come through the door and then they’d just like materialize inside the house and then it was like they were starting to pull me out of my body. It was then that I was realizing that they were actually starting to pull me out of my body.

Then, as the time went on, they knew that I was catching on, so they started telling me, ‘You’re one of us that was lost a long time ago. We’re here to reclaim you.” But I didn’t believe any of it. And then I started resisting them, I started trying to fight them, and then they started getting really brutal, and as time went on they just started attacking me in very sadistic ways.

Oh yeah, after my first exposure, my first initial exposure or whatever when I was in that aircraft hangar, about a year or so later I started getting this strange vibration in my solar plexus area. A very strange vibration. I didn’t know what it was. I just went to the doctor and told him about it. He just said that it was a nerve misfiring or something. But at the time it started growing throughout my entire body. A very strong vibration. A real strong energy flowing. Then it just grew and it grew and it grew, and in time they started feeding on me, they actually started sucking the life force out of me. They would come in and they would use their devices on me and knock me out, and sometimes they would feed on me to the point that when I would regain consciousness my heart was almost bursting. It was racing so fast, and I felt like spiraling my energy in the center of my chest, my heart area. It seemed like it was just spiraling around and around and around. Then they would feed on my kidney area, my spleen area, solar plexus area, my throat...they would go into my throat.

Editor: Now when you say that they would feed on you, what did you see or feel at the time?

Pepper: There were times, in my case, while they had me down...and when I say down I mean they had me unconscious. I would fade in and out of consciousness. Sometimes I would regain consciousness for several seconds before I would go back down, and when they would feed on me they would put their hand, for instance, my heart area, because they love, that’s one of their favorite places. My heart area. They would put their hand right on my heart area and then it was just like they were just pulling energy right out of me and into their hand and into their body. That’s one way they would do it.

They used to also bring in devices, some machines that would somehow latch onto my energy field that surrounded me and that would do it. But somehow they liked it better when they could just get right up in there with their hands and do it.

Editor: You said that the first beings that approached you in the waking state were humans. Was there anything different about their attire or their appearance, when you look back on it that maybe distinguishes them from a regular person on the street?

Pepper: They looked pretty much human, but they weren’t human. The man that approached me was very well dressed, black suit...he could pass for a banker or something like that. The other two guys that grabbed me had brown suits on. They said they were government agents. But I had seen other ones that approached me before. They were just dressed in regular street attire. They could have dress slacks on. Some of them could have jeans on. Basically just human in all appearances.

Editor: Was there any accent or anything like that?

Pepper: No. No. Just perfect English.

Editor: Then the beings that would attack you in the astral state. Were they human in appearance or did they have another appearance?

Pepper: Okay, they would come to me mostly in human appearance. But I’ve seen them before..okay, for instance, this happened in the physical too, after I told you on the side of the apartment house they came and they said those words to me. I had a very hysterical reaction and they just dematerialized. Well, one night maybe 2 or 2:30 in the morning, or perhaps 3 o’clock, somewhere around July. It gets real hot on the Texas Gulf Coast. Really humid, and I didn’t have an air conditioner, so I had my door open and my screen door latched, and this young man comes to my screen door smiling. Had a very pleasant smile on his face. For some reason, I felt relaxed with him. I had a sense that it was one of them, but for some reason I felt very relaxed with him. He said, “Somebody wants to talk to you outside. Do you want to talk to them?” I said, “Well, I guess so.” Well, when I went outside there was this blue Caprice, or maybe an Impala, with very dark tinted windows. You couldn’t see through the windows. Then when the door opened there was another man inside the (car). He was dressed in a suit also. He said he wanted to show me something. Then he took me to this little island right off of Galveston Island, called Pelican Island. He said that they had a landing site there and then he told me to look up, and as I looked up I didn’t see anything, but the ship materialized out of no where with a glowing light, sort of a ghostly glow. Not a bright light. Then it just landed, and about ten minutes later these people started walking off of it. A doorway like opened and they just started coming off the ship, and they were all in single file. There were men, there were women, in all shapes and all sizes.

But I jumped out and I scratched one of them, for some reason. I don’t know. I just had another fearful reaction. I scratched this big tall one on the face and when I scratched him it seemed like...a piece of its skin peeled away and underneath it I could see a very dark colored skin with like crevices in it. Sort of scaley with crevices in it, and that’s when I knew they weren’t human, and when they came out there was no emotion there was no emotion on their faces. Even the one I scratched there was no emotion, although he turned and he looked like he was getting ready to attack me, but the guy that drove me over there in the Caprice told him, “No, no! Don’t do it!” And they loaded these people into these dark tinted passenger vans that were there and the next thing I know they took me onboard their ship, but then, I called it dummying down, they just knocked me out again. Then all I remember is I’m waking up and I’m back at home again. But that’s when I figured out that they weren’t human, and there were other times when I was taken astrally. There were maybe about two instances when I had seen like their true appearances, and it was like the dark skin again with the crevices in it, the scaley appearance, and the eyes were sort of reptilian like, but they don’t have real strong reptilian characteristics like you would think of like a lizard like.

Editor: Prior to 1992, you didn’t have any UFO or paranormal experiences or sensitivity?

Pepper: Well, I had maybe two things that happened to me. When I was six years old I had an uncle (he’s deceased now). He was in California and he came down to visit my mother and he took me and my aunt (my mother couldn’t go) out for the day. He took us out for dinner and then for a ride in the countryside and he was driving and I remember he just stopped. We were on a country road and he just stopped. I was in the backseat and I asked him why he had stopping, and they wouldn’t even acknowledge me. Then all of a sudden these people get around the car and started looking into the windows. I think he had a ‘61 Lincoln that he had just bought brand new. There was one man, at the back, passenger side window, looking at me and smiling. Then I don’t remember anything except then I remember my uncle and aunt driving to what looked like the entrance to a ranch actually. There was a gate and there were these two men on both sides of the gate. My uncle was driving, and my aunt, then again it was just no reaction out of them whatsoever. I said, “What is this place? What is this place?” And then I remember the gate went up and I passed out again, and I never realized what happened. I had scars on my leg, on my knee area there were little scars, kind of scars on my knee. After that I don’t remember nothing except my mother telling me that my uncle brought me home in his arms saying that I slept all of the time. But when I questioned my aunt about it, she said she had no memory of it, and my uncle said he didn’t have no memory. He just thought that I was dreaming or something like that, and so I just wrote it off all of those years.

Editor: And so that happened in Texas?

Pepper: Yes, Texas in 1961. Then after that I was in Arkansas. I was going to a school there called the University of Central Arkansas in Conway, Arkansas, but I lived about 50 miles farther out, a little community called Chalktaw. It was very rural and I was renting a little small house there. I had to drive these little country roads to get on to the main highway and it took me an hour just to get into town, but one day as I was turning one of these curves there was like this big tall shadow like figure. I mean a big black figure. It was solid but it was featureless. It was very human in shape but it was just solid black. I turned the corner and it ran, and it ran so fast that, well when you speed up a film like in your VCR or whatever and you put it on fast forward, it looked like that, and it stopped out in this field about a 100 yards from me in the blink of an eye almost, and by that time I got scared and I just floored my car and got out as fast as I could.

Now those are the only two things that I had happen to me before.

Editor: Hmm. Unusual. Now you’re with Sandy in Washington state and you were recently out in Arizona a few weeks before that, and I understand that researchers out there (Arizona) did tape recordings and got unusual noises on the tapes?

Pepper: No, the researchers didn’t. I did them. Well, in Galveston, they were starting to come at my real hard, and they were really hurting me and I didn’t know what to do, and I contacted Aileen (Garoutte). She recommended that I talk to some lady named Karin Holloway. I emailed this lady Karin Holloway over in England and I sent her an email describing what was happening to me and she asked if I had ever tried using a tape recorder in order to pick up something, and that day after I got the email I went and bought me a little mini-cassette recorder, which I still have today, and I set it on voice activated recording. I put it close to my bed, up underneath the bed, and the next morning when I woke up I played it back and there was a lot of things on there that wasn’t very nice. There were a lot of voices that weren’t mine. There were sounds of strange electronic equipment going off, and there were some very unpleasant things going on. I heard my voice, but it sounded like I was drugged or something. I have no memory of it, but it was there. It was undeniable. At that point in time I panicked. I just panicked, and I contacted Aileen again and she said, “Maybe you should go to Tucson.” I left all of my belongings. I left everything I had and I caught a bus to Tucson.

First I spoke to a Linda, but she wasn’t really interested. Then I ended up with Peggy Caine. She had some kind of audio enhancement program that she had on her computer. I gave her the tape and she enhanced it and listened to it, and she thought that it was authentic. Then she asked me where I was going, because at that point in time I was still in a panic and I didn’t know what I was going to do. She asked me if I wanted to stay on there property, and I rented their guest house. That was very rural and out in the desert. I stayed there for 5 or 6 months. I started using the recorder the same way that I did in Galveston, and started picking up a lot more stuff that was going on.

Editor: So was this pretty much the same kinds of noises that you had in Galveston?

Pepper: These were different. On some of the tapes you can again make out strange electronic sounding equipment and it sounds like they’re doing something to me. I would wake up sometimes and my throat would be really, really sore, and sometimes my thyroid area would be somewhat enlarged. Sounds like they were going into my throat. Peggy had this one dog, half wolf and half shepherd, and he used to like to stay around the guest house at night time. You’d hear him barking. He was detecting something, but on one of the tapes it sounds like they brought him in and it sounded like they were hurting him real bad also. And at the same time it sounded like I was in pain myself. But I had no memory of it until I played the tape back. There’s some other tapes that have some sounds of something that doesn’t sound human. I mean, it’s a very deep, grunting voice of something. I don’t know. There’s just a lot of odd sounding things.

Editor: Can you make out some of the words that are said by the other person, or is it usually pretty muffled or hard to discern?

Pepper: Well, you’d have to listen to it and go back over it and listen to it with stereo headphones.

Editor: But some words you do feel like you have kind of deciphered or come to understand what it was saying.

Pepper: Well, okay this one instance, where I told you sort of grunting noises or something. This was one night when they came and they set up there equipment, because I faded in and out of consciousness a couple of times that night. Because that’s what I usually do. I fade in and out until recently they’ve been hurting me bad. But that night there was a device set up. The little bedroom was facing the kitchen area and that’s when I saw people there, that looked just like people, and there was this one that looked like a reptilian. The lizard kind. He was very strongly built. That was the tape where I have the grunting noise. I never could make out what he was saying, but then I brought it here and I let Sandy listen to it. Sandy listened to it a few times and he thought that whoever it was said “We have it.” Whatever it was they had I don’t know, but they had some kind of device pointed at me, and all I remember next I was extremely weak. Very, very, very tired. Very lethargic. I couldn’t think right. I was just tore up.

Editor: When you listen to these tapes, like the one where you can hear the dog, you said that you didn’t remember it until you listened to the tape. Does listening to the tapes kind of trigger your memory at all?

Pepper: With the dog it didn’t. I didn’t have any memory of them hurting the dog. The dog is not naturally a timid dog, and he was very timid the next day. He was limping too. I had no memory of it, but his howling and the way he sounds on the tape it’s like somebody is really hurting him or something, and it sounds like he’s right in the house there with me.

Editor: Right now what’s happening. What’s the roughest part of this? Is it now where whenever you go to sleep you have these episodes?

Pepper: Yeah, now whenever I go to sleep it’s like they’re there to pull me out of my body, and they’re still feeding on me. My health is declining, which began back in Galeston. My spleen is enlarged again. That’s another spot. My kidneys have atrophied. They’re not normal sized anymore. I’m starting to get heart problems now. They said that my common bile duct is enlarged. It’s just tearing me up. I have terrible headaches all of the time. I feel weak all of the time. I feels like my life force is just being sucked out of me. Sometimes I can’t think straight and then on top of all that they’re sticking these things inside of me. They call them energy leaches. I guess they’re at some kind of higher vibratory frequency that you can’t see them, but I can actually feel them inside of me. Then they come back every night to harvest them and on top of that they feed on me, and it’s just slowly killing me.

Editor: Have the doctors recommended any medicines or anything that might help with the kidneys, the liver, or anything.

Pepper: The liver is all right, but the kidneys, the spleen, the common bile duct, and my heart is starting to get messed up. What they recommended is that I take anti-inflammatory medicines, I watch my diet, and they were going to make an appointment to go back to the hospital. I don’t have any insurance at this point in time, and the last time I went to the emergency room I had to go to a place in Seattle called Harbor View. They take in people without insurance. When I was there in the emergency room there was mostly homeless and very poor people. They’d see them and give them a bottle of pills and send them on their way, which is basically what they did with me. Except they hooked me up to an IV and they did an abdominal exam on me and took an exam, hooked me up to an EKG, and confirmed that my spleen was enlarged and that my heart was not working correctly again.

Editor: Did all of these health problems begin with these experiences or was there some sign of it prior to the experiences and they’ve kind of compounded it, or how did that develop?

Pepper: Ah, no I strongly feel that what they’re doing to me is causing my health to deteriorate because back in Galveston, since 1992 they’ve been feeding on me, but now they’re feeding on me in a frenzy. The same thing happened in Galveston. My spleen got enlarged and I had some other problems with inflammation, but then they stopped. Then when I went back to the hospital and had an ultrasound scan they said everything is back to normal again. But as soon as they started feeding on me again, like they’re doing now, and now they’re just going all out on me.

Editor: Has anything helped? Like the support of people, prayer, anything to try and alleviate the situation?

Pepper: Well, for instance, when I was in Galveston I went to go see my priest. I used to attend the Catholic Church. I explained to him what was happening to me. At that time I didn’t have any even any kind of circumstantial evidence whatsoever. But I explained to him what was happening to me and he listened to me very attentively and very politely, but basically he said, “You need to pray, and pray to Jesus and that will do it.” But I was praying. I was going to church every day. I would pray, I would pray, and I would pray. But they still kept coming. I would sleep with a Bible. I would put a crucifix up. I would put up a piece of the scripture on the wall. You know, pages on the wall, and they still kept coming. It didn’t do me any good. I would try and surround myself with white light. That didn’t do me any good. When I was out in Arizona, Peggy told me to try and shield myself, to visualize a shield of white light around me. I tried to do that and that didn’t do any kind. I’ve tried almost everything.

Editor: Has being around other people helped at all, like with Sandy or this Peggy?

Pepper: Well, for instance, they still come and grab me astrally. The other night (I can’t remember the exact date) but a few days ago I was being attacked here. They were just getting ready to do what they were getting ready to do to me, but I came to and I managed to push one away from me and then they dematerialized. They come in groups of like 3 or 4, but there were three of them. One down by my legs, another one by my shoulder area, and another on the side of me. That’s the one I pushed. That’s the one that was starting to try and push me around, but when I came to I pushed him away, and I was getting ready to try and fight him, and he dematerialized and they took off. And one of the things that they can do is go into your dream state and create elaborate illusions in which someone may think they’re dreaming, but it’s not a dream. At the same time, Sandy was having some kind of dream where there were some vicious animals attacking him and it was at the exact same time, and he said there were three or four of them I believe. When he came to he heard some noise out here and that was me, because by that time I was up looking around and everything, and it was the exact same time when they were attacking me that he had that dream. Because they’ve done that to me many times where they would pull me out of my body and create these dream states, but at the same time your consciousness is rendered to a point where you almost except that everything as real, even though it’s almost outlandish. Because you would know that you’re not going through a dark evil place where these beings are coming at you. It’s almost as if you accept it.

Editor: Is there anything that you can think of that would have made you vulnerable or susceptible back around 1992 to this kind of a presence coming into your life? Or maybe later on when it became so intense?

Pepper: I don’t know. Well, in my case I could never figure it out for a long time. I took me years and years and years. But when I was first put into the limo the guy asked me two times, “Who are you? Who are you?” I think that reincarnation has something to do with this. Also after that happened, the energy that I started experiencing going through me, then I started getting for awhile I started leaving my body on my own. For instance, one night I was just laying there, very relaxed, and I just sat up out of my body and I started walking out of my body. It was then that I noticed that there was like a portal on my wall where they would come through. It was just like a big round black circle on my wall that they would come through in their astral bodies, and when they found out about that they were very, very angry, so they did extreme measures to stop that. Even now, when I barely start to pass out, they’re always there to grab me. That started to worry them, and there were times when I felt them coming in. I’d be laying down. I wasn’t quite asleep, but I felt them coming in. I could even hear them. I could detect them. I could push them back with just the power of my mind. They didn’t like that very much either. I would say that they started considering me as a threat. But before that they would come to me and tell me stories like “You’re one of us that was lost a long time ago and we’re here to bring you back into the fold” and all of this other nonsense.

I could feel the evil, and they’ve been around for a long, long time, and people just don’t realize it. They’re here among us, and people don’t realize it. They’re here to slowly take over, is the way that I feel about it. They’re coming to people in their dreams and they’re creating elaborate dreamscapes. When they become awake they said, “That was a dream I think I have to act on that.” I think they’re starting to influence some of our politicians and businessmen. And another thing, and I know that this is a fact too, and I know that this is far fetched and I know that there are people who are going to say this is crazy, but they’re also starting to take over human bodies. They actually have some kind of technology where they can transfer their consciousness into a human body and actually take that human body and that human body will be their’s to use.

Editor: Kind of like possession?

Pepper: You can say it’s possession. Yeah, I guess so. They’ve done a lot to try and take me over. Oh, they used mind control techniques. They’ve got mind control technology. There was times after all of the stuff that they’ve done to me there was one day, after going through one of their treatments, which is what they called it, and they had done something to me internally and I had a throat full of blood and I was coughing up blood. But that day, that morning I said to myself, “They’re my spiritual guide. What they’re doing to me is for my own good. What they’re doing to me is to help me to advance to a higher spiritual path.” Then after awhile, that afternoon, I said, “What’s wrong with me? What is going on here?” Then I realized that it was because of them.

Editor: So you felt like you were becoming brainwashed?

Pepper: That was what it was. Brainwashing. Yeah.

Editor: Those are very disturbing experiences, and I understand from talking to Sandy the other night that you’re thinking about going back to Texas and maybe finding some help back there?

Pepper: Yeah, well I don’t know what I’m going to do. Because I know that from the town that I’m from there’s a lot of them there. They’re living there, in human form, and if I go back there then basically I’m just going back to a place where they’re at, and I’m going to have to face them there I guess. I really don’t know. I’m tore down, let me put it this way. Physically and spiritually. I really don’t feel like I have too much time to live. I’ve tried to contact people to get some type of advice on what to do. I’ve been trying to find people to help me. To find somebody who might have some kind of knowledge in this area who could give me some kind of advice, because I feel that I’m running out of time. So I don’t know if I’m going back to Galveston. I’ve considered it. But I really don’t know.

Editor: Well certainly you believe in a spiritual reality from your experiences alone, but they’ve been so negative. You still believe in a higher power, a higher good, a God.

Pepper: What I believe is this. I believe there is a Creator. I believe this Creator created a multi- dimensional universe that is composed of many worlds, of many dimensions, and many types of different beings. Now when He created this universe He created it for good, He created it for the sole purpose for it to be filled with love, to be filled with compassion for all, but somehow these beings came along, and like I said they’re very old. They’ve been around for a long time. Their sole purpose is to destroy the Creator’s purpose, to bring chaos and destruction to each world that they come to.

As one of them told me one time, “When our scouts first found this world, we knew it was a good world to cultivate.” Cultivate, yeah right!

Editor: That sounds like what the Christian community would call the demons of old.

Pepper: Yeah, that’s right.

Editor: I’m certainly glad that you’re not giving up on your spirituality, even though it has been a very, very difficult situation that you’ve been confronted with. Of course, I’m not in your shoes and I..

Pepper: I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.

Editor: Yeah. I don’t know just what to say. All that I can offer is what everybody else has offered is to keep praying, try to stay open to divine help and intervention in spite of, especially with all of the other stuff coming at you.

Is there anything else that you wanted to touch upon?

Pepper: The only thing that I want to touch upon is that I know that I’m not the only one. I know that there’s more people out there that are having similar attacks as I’m having. Some aren’t having as severe as what I’m having, but similar experiences to what I’m having. Those people may not come forward about it for the fear of ridicule or for the fear of people labeling them some sort of psychotic or something like that. I want them to know they’re not neither. That’s about all that I have to say.